Comments on: Has Israel been helping supply weapons to Hamas?

By: moshe

moshe — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:20:41 +0000

The pixelated man at 13:40 is indeed noteworthy, but he appears much more energetic and less fat than the one at 20:47. Also different clothing, blue jeans/blue t-shirt vs white pants/light green/cream(?) top respectively.

The second larger (more elderly?) person could have been clearly identified had their face not been pixelated. They might be a person of interest, having spoken to “Kevin” at some length. We don’t want the perps identifying him, do we? Same goes for the hotel staff (lady) who showed the victim to his room. She chatted with the suspects. I hope she is being looked after well.

By: Andy

Andy — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:07:50 +0000

MOSSAD MUDERED JOHN F KENNEDY JR.
Please read the eyewitness account of this engineered assassination. He was about to announce his candidacy for the senate (NY) where he would have whipped Hillary. Had everything gone well for him, most likely he would have been President of the United States today.

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7366

By: AbeBird

AbeBird — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:34:29 +0000

There is a large distance and gape between claiming that “Israel has been helping supply weapons to Hamas” and the not proven possibility that in might be that the assassinators, suspected to be Israelis, played a Iranians weapon merchants. Anyway, that kind of situation doesn’t make sense because there is close and intimate ties between Iran and Hamas and Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was attended to reach Iran in his last journey. It is too risky to picture oneself into a position that you don’t have control on. Most likely that the assassinator, whoever they might be, acted unattached to the victim and the surrounding.
In order to stop arm flowing into Gaza Israel is conducting the best option: to force close and controlled borders around Gaza. Intelligence is only the second best used to intercept the arms all around the world before reaching Gaza. That style of closure is the best. Trying to halt arms when the borders are open is designated to be failed, but only in case that the arms seller to the Hamas is solely Israel. And that kind of situation is absurd and known as fraud. In open borders every one can sell everything to the Hamas and that’s why Israel keeping eyes on Gaza’s borders. “breaking their will to fight” is achieved by blockading arms into Gaza and make the life of Hamas leaders difficult.

Ann ; What is your solution? Occupation is not OK, Hafrada is not OK. Fighting against the Palestinian terror is not OK. So what is your solution? Is the Islamic Palestinian apartheid against Israelis OK? Or blowing a car or a suicide bomber in the middle of a mall or bus station is not genocide?
The notion that Israel created the Hamas is ridiculous although might flattered to Israel’s interests. Any way the Hamas was created in Gaza in 1987, from the spirit of the Egyptian “Islamic brotherhood”, in the beginning of the first intifada. They haven’t any direct link to the Israelis or to the west bank , but vise versa.
Not the Hamas was registered in Israel in 1976 but the “Villages’ associations“, that mainly sat at WB Hebron by the lead of Jabri family and dealt with improving the economic standards of the Palestinians.
Any case, it might be logical to offer help to the enemy in order to build mutual confidence though creativity and economic support. The fact that Israel allegedly tried to help, as you note, and the consequent of failure and betray of the Hamas show to all that Israel can’t trust the Palestinians and should promote her interest also through fighting the Hamas and other terror units.

By: Mike 71

Mike 71 — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:39:17 +0000

Could Israelis posing as Iranians have set up an arms sale pretext for luring Mahmoud Mabhouh to Dubai and to his death? If Hamas’ arms smuggling apparatus was as thoroughly infiltrated by Mossad, as some suggest, that is possible. That could explain the interception of overland arms transfers through Sudan. It could also be explained by drone surveillance of the Sudan smuggling route. That would require an enormous and thorough infiltration of Hamas and the setting up a faux Iranian arms dealing operation. That seems unlikely, as Mabhouh probably personally knew his Iranian contacts and knew better than to deal with unknowns. To do otherwise in arms dealing could be fatal. Others seem to think that the alleged “sloppiness” of the operation was an indication of Mossad taking advantage of a unique opportunity on rather short notice. Hamas has indicated that Mabhouh committed serious security breaches, such as booking his flight to Dubai online and then making a phone call to his family in Gaza from Damascus, indicating in which hotel he would be staying. Even use of a false identity in booking the flight and hotel reservations, would have not prevented Mossad from connecting the dots, particularly the phone call to the family, in which Mabhouh probably told them the name he would be using. It is well established that Mossad had hacked into the Lebanese, and presumably Syrian, internet and phone systems, giving them access to the phone lines and e-mail accounts of significant Hamas operatives. A consistent monitoring of those few phone lines and e-mail accounts would provide Mossad far more actionable intelligence than the “vacuum cleaner” approach used by the N.S.A. to monitor the activities of a millions of Americans.

The forging of British, Irish and French passports, also seems an indication of short term preparation. The digitization of passports, as done in the U.S., presents only a technical obstacle to be overcome, as nations build massive databases of passport holders, other citizens and legal residents, such as under the U.S. “Real I.D. Act.” Just as “phishers” are able to “clone” credit cards of others, once they obtain account numbers and passwords/pin numbers, they will be able to breach these databases, manipulate biometric data to fit the operatives for whom the passports will be “cloned.” The C.I.A., Mossad, Russian F.S.B. and Chinese intelligence services already have this capability.

It seems that Mossad’s objectives would focus more on stopping the importation of longer range Iranian made rockets, than the smuggling of small arms, or materials to fashion the home-made “Quassam” rockets through the Gaza tunnels, but that is now a moot issue as the Egyptians have sealed the border with their own barrier. In any event, there is a dual purpose to both seal off Gaza to arms smuggling and to use psychological warfare to undermine the authority of Hamas in Gaza. As long as Gaza is accurately perceived as a threat to Israel, and as specified in Hamas’ Charter, this will not change.

By: Ann

Ann — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:37:54 +0000

Israel, confident in its ability to use overwhelming force to crush its opponents, has less interest in disarming the Palestinians than it does in breaking their will to fight.

And, I would hypothesize, the hafrada regime is also attempting to instrumentalize Palestinian resistance in service of its expansionist and apartheid (arguably low-intensity genocidal) goals, so that when the will to fight isn't broken, it just prolongs the hamster-wheel that keeps the cycle of the conflict going, providing the prolonged pretextual oxygen to justify more violence and occupation -- and expansion. In 2002 you may recall that a UPI piece asserted that Israel had funded Hamas "as a counterweight to the PLO"; which Robert Dreyfuss repeats here. Build 'em up, and destroy and assassinate them, a deadly game.