Update below
Israelis might argue about whether the settlements are going to destroy Zionism or help it survive; they differ much less when it comes to their views about Palestinians.
Gadi Taub is ringing the now familiar alarm bell that without a swift end to the occupation, Zionism itself will be in jeopardy. Salvation depends on partition.
The most pressing problem with the settlements is not that they are obstacles to a final peace accord, which is how settlement critics have often framed the issue. The danger is that they will doom Zionism itself.
If the road to partition is blocked, Israel will be forced to choose between two terrible options: Jewish-dominated apartheid or non-Jewish democracy. If Israel opts for apartheid, as the settlers wish, Israel will betray the beliefs it was founded on, become a pariah state and provoke the Arab population to an understandable rebellion. If a non-Jewish democracy is formally established, it is sure to be dysfunctional. Fatah and Hamas haven’t been able to reconcile their differences peacefully and rule the territories — throwing a large Jewish population into the mix is surely not going to produce a healthy liberal democracy. Think Lebanon, not Switzerland.
In truth, both options — and indeed all “one-state solutions” — lead to the same end: civil war. That is why the settlement problem should be at the top of everyone’s agenda, beginning with Israel’s. The religious settlement movement is not just secular Zionism’s ideological adversary, it is a danger to its very existence. Terrorism is a hazard, but it cannot destroy Herzl’s Zionist vision. More settlements and continued occupation can.
On the other side of the debate are Israelis such as Naftali Bennett, Benjamin Netanyahu’s former chief of staff and the recently named director-general of the settler advocacy group the Yesha Council.
When it comes to assessing the prospects for anything to be accomplished in the latest round of Israeli-Palestinian talks, Bennett succinctly describes the power equation and thus the reason the talks will go nowhere: “It’s in their interest more than ours. We’re doing just fine.”
Bennett challenges much of the conventional wisdom about settlements and settlers — not surprising perhaps because he lives inside Israel and was a high-tech millionaire before entering politics.
He says: “My vision is 1 million Jews living in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank], putting an end to the notion that we can have a Palestinian state in the heart of Israel.”
With over half a million Jews already planted inside the occupied territories, that vision is more than half way towards being realized. “Anyone considering the notion of expelling 80,000 or 150,000 Jews (from the West Bank) today should know that it’s simply impossible,” Bennett declares.
“We view Judea and Samaria as the bulwark of Israel, and Israel as the bulwark for the West against Islamic terrorism. We are the security shield of Israel. That’s fundamentally how people in Judea and Samaria see it. People see it as a mission to maintain and protect this area for the Jewish people.”
Since he rejects the idea of a Palestinian state, the Los Angeles Times asks Bennett what alternative he envisions:
The alternative is peaceful coexistence on the ground and simply strengthening the current, very positive trends with the economy and security. Removing the roadblocks. Giving Palestinians political rights to vote for themselves. If they want to reach an agreement with Jordan to give them citizenship, so be it. If we need to make adjustments to make life better, we can.
Many Palestinians say the status quo is unfair and not acceptable.
There wouldn’t be apartheid. They’d rule themselves and we’d rule ourselves. We’d drive on the same roads. Arabs have fairly good lives. The overwhelming majority of the Palestinian people want peaceful coexistence. It’s just their leaders who are not OK with it.
It’s not perfect. They want a full-blown state. But it’s a zero-sum game. If they have a state, we’ll cease to exist. That’s the best we can do.
What’s interesting in looking at these contrasting Israeli views of the settlements is that beneath the divergence in analysis, there is an Israeli consensus: they see no real basis for Palestinian self determination. Palestinians would undermine the effective functioning of any democracy other than a Jewish-controlled “democracy,” but they can rule themselves so long as they don’t imagine they can have their own fully sovereign state.
Whether viewed from the left or the right, the one thing most Jewish Israelis seem to agree on (even if they differ in how bluntly they will state this) is that they regard Palestinians as their inferiors.
Update: Following a shooting attack in which Palestinian gunmen killed four Israelis outside the Kiryat Arba settlement near Hebron on Tuesday, settlement leaders were quick to call for talks due to start in Washington on Wednesday, to be cancelled.
The Jerusalem Post reported:
The head of the Mount Hebron Regional Council, Tzvika Bar-Hai, called on Netanyahu to cancel the Washington talks.
“There is no place for negotiations with those who respond with deadly fire to our hand outstretched for peace,” he said.
“It is time for the leaders of Israel to wake up from the illusion of false peace,” Bar-Hai added.
“We’re talking about one of the worst terrorist attacks in the past few years,” said Naftali Bennet, director-general of the Council of Jewish Communities of Judea, Samaria and Gaza.
“We’re asking that the prime minister immediately turn the plane around and come back to Israel. It’s not possible, while we’re holding funerals, that he can stay there. And we’re calling on him, tomorrow morning, to renew the building in Judea and Samaria,” he said.
The council announced Tuesday night that it would respond to the attack by unilaterally ending the construction freeze and starting to build on Wednesday.
A Yesha Council statement said: “The Zionist answer is to build and support. They shoot and we build. Each does as he believes.”
Although a spokesman for Izz al-Din al-Qassam, the military wing of Hamas, claimed responsibility for the attack, Ynet reported:
Earlier on Tuesday, Hamas Spokesman Fawzi Barhum addressed the attack but did not claim responsibility for it.
“The attack was not meant to impede direct negotiations which failed prior to even starting. This is a natural response by the Palestinian resistance to the enemy’s crimes, and is proof that despite the resistance’s persecution by the security services and despite Israel’s crimes, the Palestinians are capable of responding to these crimes,” he said.
Barhum stressed that the attack was the type of response “which the enemy and occupation should expect. The Palestinian resistance is alive, well and kicking.”
I know several Jews who deep down believe that they are superior to Whites, all others actually. They don’t openly proclaim this, but they believe it. They must have learned this from their fathers.
To be fair, I’ve heard Whites say this too. Other than Whites and Jews, no one else says this. That said, my kids are half breeds, and thereby genetically superior to any pure bred. The half breeds will inherit both the US and Israel someday. The Whites and Jews are too reliant on the comforts of modernity, which is something we have no reason to presume will persist indefinitely.
If we lose electric service in this country for a week or two, urban people will perish fairly rapidly. Mexicans and rednecks will thrive. Look at Katrina versus Rita. Rita hit a rugged outdoor people. That just meant the swamp was rising. Urban centers are precedented on many complex systems from food, water, drainage to name just a few that come quickly to mind. I’m no survivalist, short of being fond of camping. I don’t have a year’s worth of food stuffs as Mormons are commanded to store. Just saying.
One thing the Israeli left and right implicitly accept is that the Zionist theft of Palestinian lands is illegal. Why else would they agree that it’s triumph or its ending would be a make or break situation for the Israeli state?
One state, with full equality for Palestinians, is the only just and practical solution, so Israelis had better begin to seriously consider how to embrace these people on whom their futures depend.
Netanyahu and Abbas are ready to make concessions that would leave all other protagonists dumbfounded…and they’ll do so in secret at first, cooking up a deal no other could refuse. Netanyahu is a man whose personal worth is zero as he has done nothing with his life that he can be proud of and a lot that he can’t. Yet he sees this desperate moment when he’s only a minority in his own cabinet of kept maniacs as his last chance to make history. All his cabinet ministers are dogs with lots of tell-tale cans tied to their tails so when they speak the clanging noise is far more audible, making them incredulous. As a result, Netanyahu will be negotiating alone with Abbas in secret to see if they can come up with a deal so sweet that the crazies on both sides dare not refuse. In that goal they are supported by Obama. The real issue is the desperation of necessity. Both Zionism and the issue of Palestinian nationhood can perish polarized in the Westernization (a status for Israel the EU has flatly refused) vs. Jihad (a model of which Muslims grow weary) dichotomy. WITHOUT A REGIONAL SOLUTION THERE IS NO REGIONAL ECONOMIC MODERNIZATION…..and without economic modernization there is no future for the next generation as socioeconomic chaos is all there will be for it to inherit. It’s a zero-sum-game where everyone sums to zero no matter what happens. Netanyahu and Abbas are both looking far, far ahead while their opponents are rendered myopic by the politics of personal advancement on sinking ships. binLaden was the last idealist in the region ready to put his body where his mouth is. The youth of the region sees him as a myth of the past, irrelevant to the future. Now Muslims, Jews and Christians in the Middle East have to decide whether they will destroy what’s left of the Middle East’s prospects or they will unite to modernize it into an economic Phoenix. No third option exists. Israel’s dream of becoming an expanding Jewish state is a dead dream as mass majority of Jews like it fine in the Diaspora and Israelis are desperate to leave the “Jewish State” for the good life in the goyim world. Consequently, the only “settlers” Israel has access to are unbalanced, unproductive and parasitic elements who think that they are entitled to Jewish servitude while they debate the fine points of the Torah. The same is true for the Muslim mullahs. The Middle East is awash in shyster mullahs and rabbis but desperately needs intellectual engineers and technologists. All Arab leaders realize that all the Islam they preach will accomplish little unless they bring the mouth of the cornucopia of modernization to where the faithful stand in want and frustration. Shia Iran is also realizing the same– a problem which nuclear bombs can’t solve. The current poverty and decline of the US was the Middle East’s wake-up call. When Israelis see that America can no longer provide them luxurious welfare and the Arabs see that oil can no longer provide them the same, the issue becomes survival. Without peace there is no survival for survival depends on high-tech revolution on every square inch of the Middle East where Arabs and Jews put their minds together to achieve economic take-off, finally. Peace is at hand because without it every one of the combatants dies from want as if poison gas has spread uncontrolled in all directions.
offcourse the jews see themselves as superior. they are god’s chosen people after all. the rest of us are just scary outsiders who want to kill them.
bad luck for them that god died a long time ago